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Andy Richardson

Thursday Night Recap

Kansas City holds off Herbert, Chargers

Nice when a game mostly lives up to the expectations. We didn't get the 38-35 shootout some were hoping for, and indeed the KC numbers were disappointing (defensive touchdowns sometimes do that). But plenty of drama and controversy in what will probably be one of the better Thursday night affairs.

QUARTERBACKS:

First thing to say is that both of these defenses have some ability, improved over last year (when both ranked in the bottom 10 in yards allowed, and only three teams allowed more points than the Chargers). There was a stat showing that Kansas City punted more times in the first half (4) than in any previous Mahomes game.

But until the Chargers lost a couple of linemen to injury, Justin Herbert wasn't getting a ton of pressure, and the Chargers were moving the ball very well. Herbert made a few incredible throws, including the touchdown to Mike Williams and a couple of lasers to DeAndre Carter, one while dealing with some sort of rib injury.

Anyone strictly looking at the box score might say, Well, he lost the game with that Pick Six. But I (and I think most) put that one largely on the coaching staff, which went hurry-up for some reason on 1st and goal, ignoring a gassed Gerald Everett's plea for a breather. Not only did they not take Everett out, the play went to him, and he ran a soft/wrong route that produced the 99-yard touchdown the other way. I'm not trying to absolve Herbert from blame, but Everett was clearly not where he was supposed to be (which in his mind was on the sidelines). Herbert then picked up some kind of rib injury, which will be updated at some point today one hopes. I have Herbert in a couple of leagues (he was our top quarterback) and grudgingly added a third quarterback this morning just in case he needs to miss time.

Patrick Mahomes was under heavy pressure early on, taking a big sack and settling for a couple of shorter throws. His first touchdown, dependent on a nifty scramble, was the kind of play not many quarterbacks make, and the second was a laser to Justin Watson, checking into the game while Mecole Hardman was having an injury checked out. Final numbers disappointing (235 yards, 2 TDs), but I think this aggressively improved Chargers defense, as long as it can keep Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack on the field, is going to hold a lot of quarterbacks to a lot less than that.

RUNNING BACKS:

Even before he busted the game-clinching 52-yard run (at the end of which he shrewdly stayed in bounds, impressive), Clyde Edwards-Helaire was having an impressive game. It became clear in August that Kansas City was going to give him a chance to be The Guy (sorry, Ronald Jones fans), and so far, so good. He had a couple of tackle-breaking runs and is showing some nice balance and power thus far. Caught all 4 passes thrown his way for 44 yards, unfortunately missing out on the touchdown catch that Jerick McKinnon got on a broken play. McKinnon actually played a few more snaps, but CEH had twice as many touches. It's a committee, but if one guy puts up good numbers without scoring and the other guy needs to score to be usable, it's clear who the best fantasy option is. I hope nobody started Isiah Pacheco, overlooking that his numbers last week were in garbage time.

Austin Ekeler looked fine, on most of his chances. Yeah, he averaged just 2.8 yards per attempt as a runner. This is not a running team, especially with Corey Linsley getting hurt in the first half. And nearly half of Ekeler's 9 catches were on the final drive, with Kansas City giving up underneath stuff. The concern through 2 games is that it seems the Chargers are going to be working to keep Ekeler fresh by giving more snaps to Joshua Kelley and Sony Michel. It's smart, it's a long season, but it will also reduce the benefits of starting Ekeler each week. Regardless, no one should really be complaining about 18 PPR points.

WIDE RECEIVERS:

Initially, I started Mike Williams in my Fantasy Index Blackout lineup. Alas, with none of the superstars blacked out, I ended up replacing him with a respectable trio of Kupp, Jefferson and Adams. Maybe all three of those guys will be better than Williams, maybe not. But he was pretty awesome, including a really impressive touchdown catch. Going forward I'd say he's an automatic start any time Keenan Allen is sidelined, and in most leagues probably automatic even if Allen is playing. Great game.

Nice adjustment by Josh Palmer on the late touchdown. Would have been his second straight disappointing game otherwise, but 8 targets is nice. DeAndre Carter also got free for a remarkable 35-yard catch later, but otherwise a quiet game. He can play the position, but he's not Keenan Allen and can't be used with that kind of production in mind.

Not sure what to say about JuJu Smith-Schuster, Marquez Valdes-Scantling and Mecole Hardman. The JuJu outing is particularly disappointing, given our high ranking, and his healthy target share in Week 1. We were warned by Mahomes himself, it's going to be a bumpy ride with these guys. Fair to wonder if Justin Watson, who ran a great route on his touchdown when replacing Hardman, is better than a couple of these guys right now. Actually I think he probably is better than Hardman and MVS at a minimum. We're going to need Mahomes throwing for 350, which he certainly will in a lot of games, for multiple wideouts to hit in this offense.

TIGHT ENDS:

Travis Kelce disappointed, but I saw a couple of plays, one where he spun out of a tackle after a reception to pick up a first down, where I'm not the least concerned that age is going to be an issue for him. The guy is great, and he's still great. You want more than 5 for 51, but next week he might very well catch 10-11 passes. There was a goal-line sequence where both Kelce and Jody Fortson saw passes from the 1-yard line. Fortson looks like he might catch 5-6 TDs this year, but only a handful of other passes, unfortunately. Kansas City curiously settled for a field goal after those plays, kind of weird. But it worked out, so I guess nice coaching.

Might need to give more credence to the idea of Gerald Everett being a season-long factor. Though he and Tre McKitty caught the same number of passes in Week 1, last night Everett had 10 targets to McKitty's zip. My apologies to those I steered away from Everett. Eventually Donald Parham will return and maybe Keenan Allen returning also causes Everett's targets to decline, but a big part of the offense last night. Yeah, he was at least partially at fault for the game-losing interception, but it's not like he didn't try to come out of the game before it could happen.

MISCELLANEOUS:

I missed the first couple of minutes of this game because silly me, I was watching the NFL Network pre-game and thought it was their mistake when they began showing a replay of the Broncos-Seahawks eyesore from the other night. Last night's game (all Thursday games? I guess) was on Amazon Prime, as we were reminded later by the shot of Jeff Bezos and Roger Goodell rubbing elbows in the audience. Only negative from my standpoint is I usually record these games so I can refer to back to plays and I don't have the faintest idea how to record things on Amazon Prime, if it's possible at all. Yes, I can watch it on the Internet, sometimes I like sitting on my couch with an adult beverage, sue me.

At one point I had the Chargers defense as a top 5 group, most recently I had them around 8-12, depending on scoring system. I think top 5 might be more accurate. This is a really talented group that's going to cause problems for quarterbacks not named Patrick Mahomes.

Fingers crossed that the Herbert injury isn't serious and doesn't cost him time. Not only are the NFL and fantasy hopes of all Chargers dependent on it, but the guy is fun to watch.

22 Reader Comments:

David Kennedy

Steamburg, NY
2022-09-16T14:09:53Z
The coach for the Chargers looks like to me he doesn't know what he is doing. Herbert is great and just needs better scheming I think. Palmer and Ekeler should have been used in the passing game more early on.

David Lutz

Lancaster, MA
2022-09-16T14:44:42Z
LA had that game early but they still cant get over the mistake free hump...o- line will be better so still a contest, kc doesn't impress me.

Andy Richardson

Port Chester, NY
2022-09-16T15:07:33Z
Mahomes was fortunate early on when an interception was overturned…both teams thought it was good. I personally didn’t think the evidence was as conclusive as one of the analysts did but apparently the refs agreed.

Justin Eleff

Alexandria, VA
2022-09-16T15:24:35Z
NOTE THAT SHOULD HELP A LOT OF US: I noticed on my Firewhatever connection to Prime that when I clicked on the home page advertisement for TNF *after kickoff* -- literally when I clicked Learn More -- it took me through to a screen that offered two options: watch live or RECORD. So that's one way (maybe) to do what we're hoping to.

Ben Hogevoll

Siletz, OR
2022-09-16T15:32:19Z
Andy,To record games on amazon,go to the games page on the prime video app or on the amazon web sight.EXAMPLE-Here's the Chargers-Chiefs page for thurs night.There,you select record Thurs night football game or add to watch list and record. This will set your page or app to enable game recordings for the entire season! When I clicked on the add to watch list,it enabled recordings on my video page.Amazon's help page says it will add to watch list and record but MY PAGE just says add to watch list.Once you click on add to watchlist,click on the image to go to next page to see if it says recordings enabled.If you enable this feature before the game starts,you will have access to a full game replay only,and limited ability to rewind to earlier in the game.Enabling the feature after the game will provide you access to future game replays but not the one just played,and the ability to watch from the beginning.ALSO worth noting,Amazon's recordings feature will have(RAPID RECAP BUTTON)that will display game highlights if you tune in late.PS IF this is to complicated,simply ask your young son or daughter for help as I did.

Andy Richardson

Port Chester, NY
2022-09-16T15:40:19Z
Lol thanks Ben

Mark Rapley

Rosemount, MN
2022-09-16T16:12:27Z
I can't agree with you at all on Ekeler in standard. I took Ekeler ahead of both Kupp and Jefferson and am severely ruing my decision. Only 8 points last night and 6 week 1! I also noted to my distress that he was not in at the goal line! Too much Michel and Kelley for my liking. Last year he got TWENTY TDs and so far zero :(.

Andy Richardson

Port Chester, NY
2022-09-16T16:28:33Z
I didn't say anyone in Standard should have been happy with Ekeler. Definitely cause for concern. But he was in for the final sequence near the goal line and got a couple of short-yardage (3rd and 4th and 1 carries) during the game. Joshua Kelley/Sony Michel aren't good enough to regularly play over him in those situations.

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-16T16:56:05Z
KC receivers look very ordinary. Hardman-MVS-JJSS. I think those are "just guys" as they say. Skyy Moore hardly got on the field (I think I saw him only on punt returns). Watson came in, and in limited playing time at the long catch. I also saw Watson catch a long pass in the preseason game at Chicago. I'm thinking if one of the 3 starters is missing, Watson might be a decent little fill-in for that game. JuJu looks like he might be too big quick -- not quick enough. Including the preseason, Mahomes has thrown 10 TDs. I think we're at 5 to tight ends, 3 to running backs and 2 to wide receivers.

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-16T16:56:55Z
Palmer has gotten to play a game and half without Keenan Allen on the field. If he was going to be a breakout kind of guy, you would figure he would have done more in those six quarters.

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-16T16:58:17Z
Man plans, God laughs. In preseason, it makes some sense to select Herbert before Josh Allen, figuring Allen is way more likely to get hurt. And here we are, at the start of the season, and Herbert is taking a shot to the ribs. Looks like he'll be playing hurt for a few weeks.

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-16T16:59:44Z
Another goal-line attempt to Fortson. He's going to catch some of their short-range touchdowns. He's probably better on those high throws than any of their starting wide receivers. (Fortson is a tight end, but he's lining up as a wide receiver on those plays.)

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-16T17:01:24Z
Mahomes had the great opener, looking like a guy who'll be throwing 40-plus touchdowns. But to put up those kind of numbers, I think you need more than just a quarterback. You can't do it playing with just guys on the outside. I don't think KC has quite enough other talent for Mahomes to be that kind of quarterback. To me, looks more like a top-5 kind of quarterback rather than a threat to be the top guy.

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-16T17:02:08Z
I am in the group that couldn't figure out how to record the game.

Andy Richardson

Port Chester, NY
2022-09-16T17:02:44Z
We were supposed to believe that MVS was going to be a big part of the offense because Kansas City gave him so much money. It's early, but I'm comfortable saying his "3 years, $30 million" is going to end up being a one-year, $9 million deal. Which is still too much money, but that's the best they can manage when they cut ties.

Andy Richardson

Port Chester, NY
2022-09-16T17:16:15Z
Also seems like schedule has some rough spots for Mahomes. Denver (twice) has played him tough in the past. The Chargers again. Buffalo, Rams, Bucs, maybe San Francisco. More of those kinds of games than the Arizona defense he shredded last week.

Drew Paterson

Ferndale, WA
2022-09-16T17:33:01Z
At least my decision to keep M. Williams, and drop Ceedee Lamb, seems to be working out.. Of course, I'd enjoy it more if Mitchell hadn't hurt his knee, like when I drafted Mostert two years ago, and Davonte Williams looked more like a no. 1 RB instead of a 1A.

Jeff Zwiers

Bellingham, WA
2022-09-16T17:33:30Z
My main take-aways from the game: 1. Gerald Everett looks like a great player! He may be good enough to be a starter in a 12-team league... 2. LAC have possibly a top-10 defense. Weirdly tho in fantasy they only scored only one point.... which I am thankful for since I played against them!

David Kennedy

Steamburg, NY
2022-09-16T19:21:41Z
Yeah I am not sure I will be starting Palmer again this year Ian. Seemed like he was getting open though. Bummer on Ekeler's role compared to last year.

Rob D.

Wellington, FL
2022-09-16T19:59:16Z
I saw the same old Chargers as always. They make enough bad plays to lose games they should win. They're always snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. some things never change. they will not represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-16T20:08:43Z
Everett's effort on the Pick Six, it wasn't a great look. I guess he was tired, but he's still a pro football player. Reminded me of that Ben Watson play against Denver, when he was able to run down Champ Bailey from the other side of the field. And that one came at altitude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvFHKkfIKlA

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-16T20:11:28Z
Fantasy leagues need to have a special committee. When a player makes a notable play (either good or bad) that isn't covered in the scoring system, the committee is allowed to go in and manually adjust the player's output for the week. Hunter Renfrow's fake punt tackle against the Chargers last year, for example, that would get a few extra points. Everett last night, he would be docked a couple.
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