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Andy Richardson

Thursday Night Recap

49ers blitz Seahawks in another slugfest

We're getting some wild Thursday games lately. First the Bucs-Falcons shootout, now this, which was up-tempo from the opening kickoff. And when the dust had settled, and those of us who forgot to set our Blackout lineups (and definitely would have used Deebo) had lamented it long enough, the 49ers rolled up a 36-24 win.

QUARTERBACKS

There's apparently some debate (Niners fans, people who hate them, I don't know) over how good Brock Purdy is. My two cents: it's stupid. Football is a team game. Is Purdy Steve Young, no, but he's pretty good and definitely good enough for this team to win a Super Bowl with. He makes good throws, he distributes the ball well to his wealth of talented players, he runs a little when necessary. Is he helped by the skill players around him, of course! Purdy in Las Vegas would probably be struggling. So would Jared Goff and a lot of other guys who might win a Super Bowl in the next few years. Nice game from Purdy.

Geno Smith doesn't get a lot of love, probably because he mixes really good games with bad ones all in the same game. Last night he threw a bad interception on Seattle's first series with them driving down the field, hard to figure what he saw there (not, apparently, the safety). But he's also leading the NFL in passing yards and making some pretty great throws to all his various targets as well, so he's made a nice career for himself after a poor start with the Jets. I'm not sure I'll say Seattle can win a Super Bowl with him, but he can get them to the playoffs, and you can win with him in fantasy, too. Last night was more a case of Seattle's banged-up defense not having enough to cover all of San Francisco's weapons. Smith lost a pair of touchdowns last night on other players' mistakes, I'll get to those.

RUNNING BACKS

I think Jordan Mason would have run for about 150 yards and 2 TDs in this game. Instead he suffered a shoulder injury in the second quarter after running for 65 yards on just 8 carries, returned in the second half to carry it one time for 8 yards, then left again. (What are sideline doctors doing, exactly? A couple of weeks ago Khalil Shakir returned to catch a long pass through an ankle injury which probably didn't help the issue, Josh Allen last week checked himself of the blue medical tent to throw up a few foolhardy deep balls in a game that should have gone to overtime, now this.) Mason looked great, but now we'll need to see if he's going to miss time.

Isaac Guerendo, obviously, needs to be added everywhere. He had a breakaway run late last night to clinch the game. A little controversy at the end where he either was tackled or slid down on purpose to kill more clock. I've watched the play 10 times and can make the case for both. Shanahan says they wanted him to score (would have been his first NFL touchdown). Deebo Samuel said he would have scored, and that Guerendo said people on the sideline were telling him not to. "I don't know why he was looking at the sideline." Anyway, Guerendo will probably be reeling off 80-90 yard rushing games in this offense if Mason is out.

Kenneth Walker salvaged a lesser rushing game with a 1-yard touchdown and some garbage-time receiving stats. San Francisco's run defense looked very solid and getting out to a 16-0 lead obviously helped. Walker was kind of a forgotten man on draft day but I hope all the people who thought Zach Charbonnet was some kind of threat to Walker when he was drafted have finally given up that notion. Charbonnet is a backup running back who was drafted too early. He'll be fine if Walker is hurt and he's got some PPR value at times with Seattle using him in some obvious passing situations, but he will never make this a committee; Walker's a lot better.

WIDE RECEIVERS

Big game for Deebo Samuel. I mentioned in the Weekly that Seattle had no answer for him a year ago, he did his damage last night on just 5 targets. Long touchdown early on a nice play design/route/adjustment by both Purdy and Samuel and a bad gamble by the safety. As so often happens, Samuel's work meant that everyone who started Brandon Aiyuk busted, no better than Jauan Jennings. What are you gonna do? Not starting either Deebo or Aiyuk isn't really an option, you just hope your guy gets his numbers.

Very, very frustrating night for those who started DK Metcalf (he also wrecked a really nice parlay for me). A game-high 11 targets resulted in just 3 catches for 48 yards. He lost one touchdown right before the half on a really nice Smith throw in the corner of the end zone where Metcalf's toe was on the line as he caught it. Later he lost a 52-yard touchdown on an illegal shift penalty. The frustration in Metcalf's demeanor was obvious. We feel you, DK.

Tyler Lockett and Jaxon Smith-Njigba didn't see quite as many targets, but finished with better numbers, including a late Lockett touchdown, with the catch-up nature of the second half for the Seahawks. Smith attempted 52 passes, which is how the offense has been forced to operate lately with the defense struggling. Smith-Njigba had a couple of near-misses and Lockett had one right before his score. Gotta start these guys most weeks right now. Even Jake Bobo had a couple of catches on 4 targets, file away his name in deeper leagues as someone who will join the top 3 once of the current group gets injured.

TIGHT ENDS

Anytime touchdown bet for George Kittle pays off with a nifty bit of footwork for one, and a second score later. With all the top tight ends either disappointing or getting injured, interesting that Kittle has been comparatively reliable.

Noah Fant, meanwhile, had his second 6-catch game of the season, frustrating because those have alternated with 4 games where he's averaged 2 catches for 19 yards. Good luck guessing right on Fant's involvement in the gameplan. I will note that 3 for 35 last night came in the final six minutes with Seattle down two scores and the Niners content giving up completions over the middle. I will still not be using Fant most weeks.

MISCELLANEOUS

The 49ers got a nice night out of Matthew Wright, who kicked three field goals from inside 41 yards. Wright at the end had to make a tackle on a kickoff, so hopefully he didn't get injured. This game really highlighted why teams are opting to kick the ball into the end zone rather than the "landing zone." Seattle had a kick return touchdown from Laviska Shenault (he basically ran right through the middle, it looked like the 49ers didn't know how to tackle him, perhaps out of practice or not used to the new rules where they can't move until after it's fielded), and then that late return where San Francisco potentially got another kicker hurt. Look for plenty more kickoffs into end zones for any special teams coaches tuned in last night.

In the fourth quarter, Seattle muffed a punt which was challenged but incorrectly ruled that Seattle hadn't touched it. Afterward, someone from the NFL admitted they didn't have as good a camera angle as Amazon Prime and that's why they botched the call on review. What? Seems like there should be someone watching the broadcast who can provide that insight to help the correct calls get made.

So Guerendo will be the big pickup next week, unless perhaps Christian McCaffrey is nearing a return. What's clear is the San Francisco offense looks pretty great no matter who's at running back. If they can stop turning it over and stay healthyish, they'll be scoring lots of points the rest of the way. Seattle and their opponents will be, too.

21 Reader Comments:

Cody Hager

Portland, OR
2024-10-11T14:33:29Z
I think a lot of NFL teams would love to have Charbonnet as their starting running back. In the games he started this year, he put up back to back Top 10 fantasy finishes. And Charbonnet did make this backfield a committee....last year. At the end of the year, they played basically in a 50/50 snap share where Walker was the early down back and Charbonnet got the passing down role. But that was a role under Pete Carroll. It seems Ryan Grubb is more like Sean McVay where he gives the starting running back all the touches. We're seeing that now with Walker and we saw that in Weeks 2 & 3 with Charbonnet. But his 2nd round draft capital to me wasn't him being over drafted. Heck, he's outperforming former 1st rounders like Najee Harris and I rarely see you take shots at him in your write ups for being over drafted or inefficient. The travesty for Charbonnet was that he got drafted in the 2nd round by the Seahawks who had already spent 2nd round draft capital on Walker. If he went to any other team that intended to use him as their starter, we probably would be drafting him in the 3rd round in our fantasy drafts. I like both Seahawk running backs as buys for the rest of the year (and dynasty)

Andy Richardson (Fantasy Index)

Port Chester, NY
2024-10-11T14:57:07Z
Najee Harris was overdrafted too. I think both cases we have good college backs who in the right system can be productive and in limited offenses (like Pittsburgh's) can put up good numbers only based on opportunity and volume. I disagree that Charbonnet would be a quality starter on any other team, but I guess that system means a lot (Jordan Mason, certainly, wouldn't be reeling off 100-yard games with many other teams). My problem with Charbonnet specifically is that everyone trashed Walker last year because Seattle drafted Zach in the second round, and I think Walker is a really talented back. Whatever. Charbonnet is a solid No. 2 for Seattle.

ERIC INGERICK

Penfield, NY
2024-10-11T17:08:50Z
We viewers should feel honored that we get better video than the NFL officiating "higher ups" in New York have at their disposal to make their judgment. And whoever the tech(s) is (are) that can get that up and running between the 15 seconds New York communicates with the game ref and viewers come back from commercial should be awarded a medal. Maybe hire them to go to New York? I am quite sure the final decision had nothing to do with 68,000 irate fans already having been told their team's fair catch interference had been waived and the same determination would have been made even had this game been played in San Francisco, too, truly I am.

What I'd like to go back to is Tyler Lockett's fabulous 37 yard catch on 3rd and 8 to keep the TD drive alive and put Seattle back in the game. The ball was hiked after :00 was on the play clock on this play. I, like everyone else, have been told the official looks from the play clock to the ball to see if it has been hiked yet, making it so there can be a smidge of time when a play can be legal even if there are 0's on the play clock. Here is my question, "If the defense jumps across the line after 0's are on the play clock, but before the ball is hiked, and the officials call them offsides, then is it really? Can the coach of the defensive team challenge that play, and is it winnable if the offsides called actually occurs before the official blows the whistle for delay of game? After all, how can offsides happen with a play clock reading :00? Or does that come under the umbrella of official's judgment, like pass interference does at the present time?

Paul Desimone

Hayward, CA
2024-10-11T18:04:25Z
I like that Waller's being used in the passing game. Charbonnet appears to have better hands, but Walker can do way more with the ball in his hands. Maybe the wheel Walker ran (or just drifting downfield, maybe) might get drawn up for future use.

Ian Allan (Fantasy Index)

Seattle, WA
2024-10-11T18:05:02Z
Seahawks didn't wear the neon green alternate uniforms that they often trot out for a Thursday night game. And for that, we can all be thankful. I actually think the uniform they wore last night is better than their current iteration. The Native American styling of the logo is more apparent in this version.

Ian Allan (Fantasy Index)

Seattle, WA
2024-10-11T18:10:10Z
Guerendo had another run where I was wondering if it was going to be touchdown run of about 22 yards but his own player knocked him down. It has me very certain that Jordan Mason is never going to get paid. If Mason is healthy, he may have a few more 100-yard games, but when he hits free agency in 2026, the 49ers will be done with him. I don't like the structure of the labor agreement for the running back position. Shanahan has missed on a bunch of running back picks -- Davis-Price, Sermon, Joe Williams -- but Guerendo looks like he'll be a starter someday.

Craig Larimer

Portland, OR
2024-10-11T18:15:57Z
I’m so glad I don’t have Guerendo in my main points league where we play 6 RBs each week. We only score if they get 100 yards or a TD. I think he went down mostly on his own on the long run. And he ended at 99 yards. In my big league, last night would have gotten his owner zero. Those 100 yds receiving or running or 300 yds passing leagues are really fun. So often people fall just short or barely make it. I recommend you all try that kind of league sometime.

Ian Allan (Fantasy Index)

Seattle, WA
2024-10-11T18:18:18Z
While Guerendo is a size-speed freak, I think he's also still a work in progress. I was surprised how little he was used in the game. I was wondering Guerendo was injured because Patrick Taylor (a veteran who knows the NFL ropes) was on the field a lot more in the fourth quarter. This could be a deal where Guerendo isn't ready to handle pass protection and route running. Guerendo had the run early in the third quarter where I sat out in my seat thinking it might be a 23-yard (I looked it up) touchdown. But he was hardly on the field again until showing up late. If Mason misses a game, I'm sure we'll be looking at a Taylor-Guerendo combo, with Guerendo doing more of the running and Taylor plugged in for a bunch of the plays where more smarts/experience are required. Guerendo discussion gets a lot more interesting in a dynasty format.

Ian Allan (Fantasy Index)

Seattle, WA
2024-10-11T18:20:00Z
There have been 2 kickoff return touchdowns this year. One by Laviska Shenault last night. The other by the guy he replaced (DeeJay Dallas returned kickoffs for Seattle last year before signing with Arizona).

Andy Richardson (Fantasy Index)

Port Chester, NY
2024-10-11T18:20:48Z
6 running backs a week? How many teams in this league? If it’s more than 8, you guys are going pretty deep. The Bizarro NFL in terms of valuation of running backs.

Ian Allan (Fantasy Index)

Seattle, WA
2024-10-11T18:25:02Z
Nick Bosa was the key guy. He's one of the best pass rushers in the league, and the Seahawks too often allowed him to work against their third-string right tackle. (Though in fairness, Bosa switched over to the other side in the fourth quarter and ran by Charles Cross.) While Bosa didn't get any sacks, that pressure was the main factor, I think, in Geno Smith having an off night.

Andy Richardson (Fantasy Index)

Port Chester, NY
2024-10-11T18:29:38Z
Yes I forgot to mention Taylor. I did think his usage was a pass protection issue. I was surprised (but glad) they didn’t use Deebo more as a runner with Mason out.

Ian Allan (Fantasy Index)

Seattle, WA
2024-10-11T18:44:04Z
In regards to Walker & Charbonnet, I think those guys are fine. The Seahawks didn't run the ball enough against the Giants. That was No. 1 talking point heading into this game. OC Ryan Grubb admitted he messed up in that one, and it was apparent in this one that there would be plenty of run calls. He continued to mix in plenty of them, even when it wasn't working. Those struggles, I believe, where more on the offensive line and the scheme rather than the ball carries. Give Walker some room, and he's one of the best big-play backs in the league. Charbonnet isn't as dynamic but is a more physical runner and better in obvious passing situations. As Cody in the Rose City points out, Charbonnet's pros & cons can fairly be weighed against some current starters. Zack Moss, Jerome Ford and Najee Harris all started for most of September in the AFC North. Rachaad White & D'Andre Swift aren't tackle breakers. Rico Dowdle? I'll take Charbonnet over anybody on the Las Vegas roster.

Robert McKinlay

Belews Creek, NC
2024-10-11T18:50:11Z
Mason was having a great game. Looks like AC joint sprain in shoulder. He'll try to get out for Niners vs Chiefs. His payday.

Andy Richardson (Fantasy Index)

Port Chester, NY
2024-10-11T19:03:12Z
Well, lots of team have better No. 2s than starters like Dowdle or Mattison.

The report on Mason is “sprained AC joint, not considered serious.” Maybe, but any kind of shoulder sprain seems like something that could cost a guy time. I guess this is what team mouthpieces are being instructed to tell the media nowadays. Jonathan Taylor was reported to have a “mild high ankle sprain.” Aggravating.

Andy Richardson (Fantasy Index)

Port Chester, NY
2024-10-11T19:30:02Z
In related news, just last week San Francisco told Schefter there was a chance McCaffrey would play in Week 7. Today they say they’re not opening his practice window, which suggests they’re not sure if he’ll even be back in three weeks.

Cody Hager

Portland, OR
2024-10-11T19:34:31Z
Charbonnet is more than a system running back. He was a Top 5 running back prospect in high school. A first team all-american running back with the Bruins. Two different coaching staffs value him in pass protection and catching. Has shown he can handle workhorse volume at the NFL level. There's a stat I like to use called Rushing Yards Over Expected (RYOE) which is superior than the outdated statistic of yards per carry because it accounts for offensive line play and the player's ability to evade or break tackles. Zach Charbonnet is a positive in this statistic (although Ken Walker is better). It's funny Ian that you mention Moss, White, Swift, and Dowdle because all those guys have a negative number in RYOE. You're eyes aren't lying to you! And I think the coaching staffs are paying attention as well. Bucky Irving and Chase Brown are also positive in RYOE and it coincides with their increase in playing time (time to buy those guys in fantasy?). Sadly the Cowboys and Bears don't have a similiar alternative to switch too.

Brack Varnon

Pearland, TX
2024-10-11T19:42:34Z
nice tackle by Juszcyk

Paul Desimone

Hayward, CA
2024-10-11T20:19:36Z
A running backs shoulder takes punishment from at least one tackler every time that running back touches the ball. Given the rate at which they were feeding Mason, that's a lot of hits on a shoulder sore enough to call it quits just after the half. I can't picture them putting Mason back out there next week without it ending up badly, as in IR.

Andy Richardson (Fantasy Index)

Port Chester, NY
2024-10-11T20:46:21Z
Yeah. I can see it being a bigger issue for a receiver (who has to raise his hands over his head regularly), but I don’t see how direct hits on a sprained shoulder won’t make it worse. But I’m no doctor. I do wonder why they put him on the field for a play in the second half, though.

Paul Desimone

Hayward, CA
2024-10-11T21:45:32Z
You were right, Ian, Guerendo is a rough sketch at this point. Shanahan has always been a "speed kills" coordinator. He's had his Alfred Morris and Jeff Wilson types, but his heart is in speed, like Mostert has had. Guerendo can be that kind of runner, but he's got a lot to learn and get down pat before they're going to really trust him. With what's happened to Mason, they'll have to accelerate the learning process with Guerendo. Taylor's simply not going to cut it.
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