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Thursday Night Recap

Bengals pull away from Dolphins

Kind of seems silly now that everyone was panicking when the Bengals were 0-2, right? I think this can be applied to fantasy teams that started out 0-2 or 1-2, too. It's a long season, and there will be a lot of ebbs and flows on the way. I still think the Bengals are the best team in the AFC North, and they have a lot of nice fantasy prospects, too.

The game itself was somewhat overshadowed by the scary Tua Tagovailoa injury, made extra scary by the cameras zooming in repeatedly on his frozen, awkwardly positioned hands as he lay on the turf. A little more distance would have been OK there. I get that Amazon Prime is new at this, but it was a little uncomfortable. Reportedly Tua was discharged from the hospital and is OK, but we haven't heard the end of this one, given the controversy over his leaving and returning to last Sunday's game after a head/back injury. Last night's incident highlighted the league's inconsistency with calling plays depending on the officiating crew and (I think) the quarterback. Tagovailoa was pretty much body-slammed to the turf and no flag was thrown.

QUARTERBACKS:

Early on, it looked like it was going to be a very high-scoring game. Joe Burrow led the Bengals easily down the field, completing 4 of 5 on the opening drive before the entire offensive line carried Joe Mixon into the end zone for a touchdown. Burrow ended up (with a big pass late) throwing for 287 yards and 2 TDs, rewarding those who started him. For a lot of the game it looked like he'd finish with a modest 250ish and 1 TD sort of outing. Most comfortingly for those with Burrow, he was sacked only once, while getting the time to throw long completions to each of his top 3 wide receivers. That's 5 TDs, no interceptions, and just 3 sacks the last two games, after a rough start to the season in those sack/turnover areas. Next three are at Baltimore and New Orleans and home against Atlanta, none of which particularly daunting.

With Tua Tagovailoa, pre-injury it was a mixed bag. Miami's opening drive should also have been a touchdown, with Tagovailoa making some short, sharp throws (so weird to see a lefty quarterback these days, gotta be weird for defenses, too) and moving the offense well. Perfect throw to Chase Edmonds in the end zone which it looked like Edmonds tried to catch with his wrists, I have no idea what he was doing there.

On the other hand, Tagovailoa's second drive ended with an interception where he heaved up a deep ball for an open Tyreek Hill and the ball fluttered lazily into the defensive back's hands. I actually think he can throw those passes -- he did throw one later on that was closer to being completed -- but there needs to be a better hit rate of strong throws than wounded ducks to keep trying them.

After Tua was carted off (and it should be noted that on that play, he was slow to elude the pass rusher, with it looking like maybe there were lingering after-effects of last Sunday's injury), Teddy Bridgewater came in and led a touchdown drive where this time, Edmonds caught a little shovel pass and made a couple of nice spin moves to get in the end zone. Later, he had a perfectly thrown 64-yard bomb to Tyreek HIll that Tagovailoa probably doesn't make. But they wound up settling for a field goal (2 runs into the line of scrimmage and a Bridgewater pass play that was lucky not to end in a sack), and that was it for the offense. Bridgewater is a decent backup quarterback. They're not winning many games if he has to start for long.

RUNNING BACKS:

Efficiency has been really, really ungood for Joe Mixon so far. He's at 2.7 yards per attempt on the season, and 2.5 last night. But I'm going to look at the positives, which are that that Mixon himself looks fine, running hard and taking on tacklers -- he didn't seem limited last night by the ankle injury he was apparently dealing with. And apparently Zac Taylor isn't worried about his feature back wearing down, because Mixon played all but 11 snaps last night; he's averaging 25 touches per game (21 carries, 4 receptions). It would be nicer if more of those carries near the goal line resulted in scores: last night he was carried into the end zone on the first series, stuffed on multiple carries the two other times the team got in close, resulting in a field goal and a short touchdown pass. But I'm looking for opportunities. Mixon is getting all of them. Samaje Perine and Chris Evans are barely stepping on the field.

Raheem Mostert is the main running back for the Dolphins. He's playing the most, he's getting the vast majority of the carries (and looking much, much better running it than Chase Edmonds), and involved as a receiver. Unfortunately, Edmonds is part of the red-zone offense and that's helped him score 3 TDs the last two weeks, while committing the ugly drop of yet another. If you can fool someone into thinking Edmonds is the best back here based on those scoring plays, go ahead. There is no chance it continues. Of course, as soon as you plug Mostert into a lineup he'll probably blow out his knee or something, but he looks pretty good so far. This doesn't have the look of a team that's going to score a lot of rushing touchdowns, however, limiting Mostert's value. But Edmonds doesn't look like a good start these days either.

WIDE RECEIVERS:

So Tee Higgins was Cincinnati's star last night, just another game where he had a bigger performance than JaMarr Chase. They're both great, and Chase will certainly have lots of big games this season. But if defenses continue to focus on limiting him, it's Higgins who will clean up. It's a great duo and they're working with a great young quarterback; automatic starts each week. Chase was just a step away from a late touchdown, getting tripped up just short of the goal line.

Tyler Boyd is a quality No. 3, but the numbers are against him. The weeks opponents are able to limit both Chase and Higgins are going to be few and far between. Boyd has scored twice and went over 100 yards against the Jets; that's the good. But he's averaging 3 catches per game.

The reality with Miami having two superstar wideouts is that sometimes one of them will have the better night, better matchup, bigger game. Last night it was Tyreek Hill, a week ago it was Jaylen Waddle. It's frustrating, especially when you guess wrong in the kind of competitions where both are available, as with Chase and Higgins. Early on Waddle was seeing a few targets, one broken up and another where he seemed to have caught it but it was ripped out of his hands. After that, he was pretty quiet, with Hill dominating. Frustrating for those with Waddle, but it's not like you can bench the guy. Trent Sherfield caught 4 for 55 as the No. 3, a line that will presumably go to Cedrick Wilson when he's available. If Tyler Boyd is only barely usable, Miami's No. 3 is a step or two below that.

TIGHT ENDS:

Roller coaster night for those of us who made the last minute decision to start Hayden Hurst. He caught 2 passes on the opening series, with another targets on Cincinnati's second possession. Everyone is feeling good. He then went almost the entire rest of the game without having a pass thrown his way, other than a reception erased by a holding penalty. Everyone's kicking themselves until the final minutes of the game, with Mixon getting stuffed and Cincinnati running a little counter pass play that left Hurst wide-open for an easy, yet still somehow awkward-looking, touchdown. Starting Hurst last night worked out, but I suspect I'll be benching him most weeks. Just not a key contributor in the offense, with three capable wideouts and a pass catching running back.

You were warned about Mike Gesicki. He's playing about half the time and averaging 2 catches per game. It's not clear why Miami still has him on the roster and is paying him franchise tag money. There is pretty much zero chance he ever catches 5-6 passes in a game again in this offense. The time to trade him (after he had that leaping touchdown in Week 2) has come and gone.

MISCELLANEOUS:

Evan McPherson might be the top kicker in the league for the next few years. Big leg, great offense, occasionally runs out of ideas near the end zone and willing to try long kicks. With six minutes left in the game and Cincinnati winning by 2 points, they brought out McPherson to kick a 57-yard field goal (so Miami would have had the ball near midfield had he missed. I think a lot of NFL coaches, maybe most, would have punted there. But Zac Taylor made the risky choice, and it paid off.

The Dolphins Defense has been a mystery to me so far. Same defensive coordinator as a year ago, many of the same players. It has 7 sacks and 1 interception in four games, after having 48 sacks a year ago and averaging an interception per game the last two seasons. And the matchups have been fine. Disappointing.

By all accounts, Mike McDaniel is a smart guy who his players love and has routinely impressed the media and team observers. But he's coming under a ton of criticism right now for how the Tagovailoa situation has been handled, and it's only going to get louder. I'm hoping it turns out that no missteps were made, but at this point it looks like wishful thinking. I don't know. I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt, but it looked like there was some carryover from Sunday last night, prior to getting knocked out -- particularly on the night-ending sack itself.

35 Reader Comments:

Robert Schule

Oakland Gardens, NY
2022-09-30T14:23:05Z
I think it depends what kind of expectations you had for this Bengals team. If you were expecting them to just be a playoff team, they are in fine shape. But if you considered them a Super Bowl candidate, you still have reasons to panick. After all, they have only beat the Jets and a Tua-less Dolphins team. Their run game is extremely inefficient, they still have problems protecting Burrow, and Zac Taylor seems to make some real questionable coaching decisions… good news is they have a lot of time to figure it out.

Andy Richardson

Port Chester, NY
2022-09-30T14:56:45Z
Agreed on the run game, but that’s also true of AFC favorites Buffalo, who lost to Miami. (With Tua, but I don’t think he’s proven to be the kind of QB whose presence or absence moves the needle too much.) But for some long-snap woes the Bengals would be 3-1, and their losses were to 2 really good defenses. It’s true that Zac is iffy, but sometimes Andy Reid is too, so

Drew Paterson

Ferndale, WA
2022-09-30T14:59:20Z
Defenses know they can get after Tua and knock him out of the game. Despite their short passing game and his quick release, the Dolphins can't protect him on every play. I don't think he's going to have a long career. Of course, the Dolphins should've known that after the complications from his broken hip at Alabama. Good thing they invested in a decent backup QB.

Ben Hogevoll

Siletz, OR
2022-09-30T15:04:34Z
You were uncomfortable because the cameras were to close to Tua's hands??Give me a break. Why candy coat it??It's real.That was nothing compared to car wrecks and war. People should see whats real and pull their heads out of the sand.Maybe the would learn something.Back to the article,how many times in NFL history has their been only one or none undefeated team after 3 weeks and one 4th week game?/

Jon Schrempp

Coon Rapids, MN
2022-09-30T15:12:18Z
I'm not trying to make "a thing" about this and the aftermath WAS scary (do hope he gets better and I hope the NFLPA actually does something about the "whole" situation) but I don't agree with ...
"Tagovailoa was pretty much body-slammed to the turf and no flag was thrown." My view point (which 6 may agree with and a half dozen don't) was that it was a very good twisting tackle by a much larger player on a smaller (known for scrambling) QB and the laws of gravity, with such a tackle, would've produced the same result on any QB, which I thought that it was a good sack. Unless we are expecting all of our Defensive players to learn how to stop playing at 100% at the drop of a dime or at least quit playing mid-tackle. The laws of gravity just can't work like that. especially on a league featuring more and more RPO and running / scrambling QB's. Why is no one talking about the actual tackle (the form, the speed, the excess, the dirtyness) or defensive player that made the tackle today ?? Because it was a good tackle. JMO !

Tamra Britt

Canton, GA
2022-09-30T15:16:02Z
Tua did have lingering effects... of a back injury. He was not shifty in the pocket and his underwhelming arm strength was made even worse by his lower back problems. Give the guys a few weeks to heal.

Andy Richardson

Port Chester, NY
2022-09-30T16:01:13Z
Not as bad as watching a car wreck or war, I guess I can’t argue with that. My point was that the camera lingered longer than necessary on a guy who seemed to be really damaged physically, that’s all.

Jon, I agree on replay it didn’t look as bad as I initially thought. Eight times out of 10, a flag gets thrown. Brady gets shoved near the sidelines and a flag gets thrown. I’m fine with football plays, it’s the lack of consistency that is disappointing.

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John Evans

Jacksonville, FL
2022-09-30T17:00:04Z
The public needs to know that posturing is suggestive of severe head injury. Clearly…even some physicians don’t know the warning signs

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-30T17:01:32Z
On the sack, I didn't see anything that caused me to wonder if a flag might be thrown. I didn't see anything that bordered on breaking any rules. I don't think there will be any discussion at the league office about potentially fining Josh Tupou. But it was a violent tackle. Tagovailoa is a small quarterback, and that allowed Tupou to whip him to the ground. I would think people have no problem with the tackle. But there are fairly a lot of questions about why Tua was allowed to return to that Buffalo game, and why he was on the field last night.

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-30T17:08:56Z
Tua has the weakest arm in the league (among starting quarterbacks). Teddy Bridgewater also has a popgun arm. Yet the Dolphins are connecting on more deep throws than any other team. It underscores that play-calling and the design of the offense is more important in creating those plays than raw arm strength. I wonder if in some ways Tua's lesser arm is an advantage, with defenses not believing that he's going to throw it deep. Guys like Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers and Justin Herbert, defenses are perhaps more fearful of giving up those plays.

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-30T17:21:51Z
(Though the weak arm was on display last night. There was a long touchdown to Hill available in the first quarter. He was open. But the ball was underthrown by at least 5 years, allowing Bell to intercept it.)

Ryan Klein

Tinley Park, IL
2022-09-30T17:33:53Z
Random side bar. With Winston out this week, where would Dalton fall on the rankings?

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Craig Larimer

Portland, OR
2022-09-30T17:40:51Z
I’m really disappointed with Chase this year. I drafted him fifth overall in my league where long touchdown are rewarded. Draft mistake by me. He’s not going deep and not doing much. Just another guy so far.

Andy Richardson

Port Chester, NY
2022-09-30T17:42:41Z
Friday Update will answer the Dalton question. Winston was 22nd. Just guessing, but I don't think Dalton would be worse...the guys behind Winston are generally guys who shouldn't be starting in fantasy leagues either.

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Seattle, WA
2022-09-30T17:43:25Z
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James Costello

Portland, ME
2022-09-30T17:58:31Z
All the buffoonery we had to endure from him over the years and MY comment gets deleted!!!

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-30T18:01:55Z
Chase looked like about the best receiver in the league in Week 1. I wouldn't be giving up on him just yet.

Brian Grzybowski

San Francisco, CA
2022-09-30T18:05:56Z
I'm really concerned about the Bengals. Teams seem to know exactly when they are going to run or pass. You can see the linebackers bailing from the line of scrimmage as soon as the ball is snapped if it's a pass. They aren't biting on the fakes because they are already dropped into coverage. There's a tell on the Bengals side or the play-calling is that predictable. I watched that game thinking the Bengals would look amazing if they ran the Dolphins offense.

Eric B

Seattle, WA
2022-09-30T18:09:52Z
Calling JaMarr Chase “just another guy” is really something…

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Craig Larimer

Portland, OR
2022-09-30T18:33:09Z
I said so far with Chase. After week 4 ends we will have the data. I bet he will be WR15 or something like that. Not awful, but a major disappointment.

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Andy Richardson

Port Chester, NY
2022-09-30T18:47:17Z
There are a number of big disappointments. Jefferson the last two weeks. Ekeler. Fournette hasn’t scored yet. Swift already hurt. Tough start for a lot of early picks.

Dennis Salisbury

Cranston, RI
2022-09-30T19:01:42Z
Hey Beaver Ben, 1972 Miami Dolphins are part of your answer from the trivia question way up top of the comments?

Todd Weigel

Milwaukee, WI
2022-09-30T19:16:27Z
“But the ball was under thrown at least five years”, great typo, Ian!

Ben Hogevoll

Siletz, OR
2022-09-30T19:58:13Z
Dennis,The last time there was only one undefeated team after week 4 was last year,Arizona.Of course this years week 4s only undefeated team hasn't played yet.

Matt Mumford

Tillamook, OR
2022-09-30T21:52:40Z
Wow, no discussion on the last ball intercepted that clearly hit the ground as he rolled to get up. They didn't show it very well, you only saw it on the look back from the Miami side. No review no nothing. What the heck? Ball clearly touched the ground. Cincinnati got away with one! It was all over Twitter after the game. Surprised no mention here. Take that away and Miami has a chance to win that game!

Matt Mumford

Tillamook, OR
2022-09-30T21:57:41Z
Ben, I have to agree with Andy. We don't need to show every single phase of an injury to a player. What happened to some privacy?? Going to war you get what you get. You chose to sign up for our all-volunteer armed forces. An accident, are you trying to make me a better driver? We just don't need to see it all. Go to a boxing match if you like that kind of thing. Just sayin' ...

Still think Miami got a lousy deal on that last interception ...

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-09-30T22:12:41Z
I went back and rewatched the sealing interception. I didn't see anything that suggested it hit the ground.

Paul Desimone

Hayward, CA
2022-09-30T23:18:47Z
Just a quick observation on perceptions about arm strength. Terry Bridgewater has been saddled with the 'weak arm' tag for years. But late in last night's game, he heaved one up for Tyreek Hill (Andy mentioned it earlier, I think Andy said it went 64 yards in the air). Either Herbstreit or Aikman said it travelled the longest air yards of any pass this season. I don't know whether that was said after someone did some research on it or just off-the-cuff. But one thing is sure - Bridgewater can throw it deep. It wasn't dead-on, but it tells us Bridgewater chooses not to throw deep, and not because he's too weak-armed. I don't want to come off as a jerk for bringing this up, but I think that's a perception that should be considered dispelled in Bridgwatr's case.

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-10-01T01:29:51Z
Yes on Bridgewater. It was about 64 yards from where it left to where it landed. That's pretty good. I think he has a stronger arm than Tua.

Ian Allan

Seattle, WA
2022-10-01T01:31:19Z
Back one more time on Matt M. I just re-watched that int one more time. On the recall, I will agree, you can start debating whether it might have hit the ground. I don't know that it would have been overturned though. (Then again, I don't think the Chargers pick last week should have been overturned.)

Paul Desimone

Hayward, CA
2022-10-01T02:05:54Z
It was actually Al Michaels, not Troy Aikman, who was partnered with Kirk Herbstreit. Not a big deal, but just in case...

Andy Richardson

Port Chester, NY
2022-10-01T12:11:49Z
I also rewatched the play. He didn't catch it clean but I see no indication at all that the ball touched the ground before he did secure it, and am not sure what video you saw that makes you think otherwise. All turnovers get reviewed, at least by rule, so just because the TV crew wasn't zooming in on stuff doesn't mean the booth officials weren't looking it at it to confirm it was good. Looked like a clean interception to me and I didn't see anything that would have contradicted it.

Ben Hogevoll

Siletz, OR
2022-10-01T14:42:28Z
Matt,I was drafted.Everyone to their own.If a injury bothers you on tv or in else where,cover your eyes and cry.

Matt Mumford

Tillamook, OR
2022-10-03T17:17:47Z
They were terrible about showing the video on TV. Like I said earlier, you didn't see it until that long distant look. He catches the ball and as he goes down the ball hits the ground and then he pops up and runs. It was strange that nobody mentioned it at all. A ton of people on Twitter saw the same thing. It should have been reviewed at least. I thought all turnovers were reviewed. No objection from the Dolphins either. Earlier in the game, I get it. At that late juncture and so much online I would have thought they woud want to confirm it. Thankjs for looking.

Matt Mumford

Tillamook, OR
2022-10-03T17:18:45Z
Ben, I get it. You're still my favorite other Oregonian! ;)
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